Grammar Girl #9 is due on Thursday for Period 3 and Friday for Periods 5 and 6.
Listen to podcast # 22 "Generic Singular Pronouns." from Grammar Girl.
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(Period 3, Juhyun Kim)
The episode 29 was about generic singular pronouns.
The problem was that nobody really knows what pronoun to use anymore when talking about a person of unknown gender.
A good way to avoid this problem is to rewrite the sentence. If that's not possible, you need to see if people you're writing for have a style guide. If not, use he or she to play it safe, or use they if you feel bold and are prepared to defend yourself.
*examples*
1. A student should show ______ respect to teachers.
(1) REWRITE THE SENTENCE!
Students should show their respect to teachers.
(2) PLAY IT SAFE!
A student should show his or her respect to teachers.
(3) BE BOLD!
A student should show their respect to teachers.
2. The retailer tends to hire a good-looking person, whether or not ______ is competent for the job.
(1) The retailer tends to hire good-looking people, whether or not they are competent for the job.
(2) The retailer tends to hire a good-looking person, whether or not he or she is competent for the job.
(3) The retailer tends to hire a good-looking person, whether or not they are competent for the job.
In Grammer Girl, It talks about generic singular pronouns. In the beginning, it talks about how people were confused on what pronoun to use like he or She when talking about a "Unknown Gender".
in the Grammer Girl,it said that it is very confusing when switching He and She. Bryan calls switch He and She "Whiplash Grammer".
Example: “He or she seems too awkward, he seems sexist, and one seems archaic.”
Here Grammer girl talks about how "exclusively using shealso seems sexist, the hybrid s/he seems silly and awkward, and switching between he and she is downright confusing to readers."
Response: Juhyun Kim is very smart and it looks like she knows what she is talking about. I like how she made the examples step by step.
Grammar Girl #29 is about generic singular pronouns. Grammar Girl says "the problem (Nolan is talking about) is that nobody really knows what pronoun to use anymore when talking about a person of unknown gender." For example if you say "everyone should visit his or her parents" you could also say "everyone should visit their parents". You could fix generic singular pronouns by putting "they."
-Guillermo Galindo
-Per 5
The episode 29 was about generic singular pronouns.
The problem was that nobody really knows what pronoun to use anymore when talking about a person of unknown gender.
Example: “He or she seems too awkward, he seems sexist, and one seems archaic.”
Here Grammer girl talks about how "exclusively using shealso seems sexist, the hybrid s/he seems silly and awkward, and switching between he and she is downright confusing to readers."
elizabethdeluis
kjh1877 and lizbeth both have good posts i like kjh1877 usesd good examples.
Grammar girl 29 talked about generic singular pronouns. How confusion plays a part in trying to use he or she.
I learned that the right way to us the generic words.
1. He or she shall take the quiz outside.
2. Please take this time to thank he or she siting next to you.
julian
per.6
This podcast is abou generic singular pronouns.
It was abou how no one knows how o use pronouns correctly when hey talk about an unknown gender.
She explains how it is difficult to choose but either way you have to choose between he,she.they,their and he or she.
Examples
The student fell and scraped ______ knee.
The student fell and sraped his knee.
The teacher spilled ____ coffee.
The teacher spilled her coffee.
responses
I like how Junyun Kim has very detailed examples. I know he understood the podcast.
I also agree with "Mr.juanC" Junyun Kim is very smart :]
[[elsy p.6]]
The episode 29 was about generic singular pronouns.
The problem was that nobody really knows what pronoun to use anymore when talking about a person of unknown gender.
"They" should be used regardless to the singular antecedent rule. Using "he" or "she" is pointless.
ex1:The retailer tends to hire a good-looking person, whether or not he or she is competent for the job.
ex2:The retailer tends to hire good-looking people, whether or not they are competent for the job.
This grammar girl was on personal pronouns. Personal pronouns are words like he and she. I dont really mined about what to use, it really has to do with the subject of what you are talking about.
___ can become president.
___ is a good student.
The grammer girl is about generic singular prnouns. The problem is that no one really knows what pronoun to use anymore when talking about a person of unknown gender. To avoid the problem you could just use their. For example if the teacher says everyone should do his or her homework tonight. She could just say everyone do their homework tonight. Another example, if you say everyone should wear his or her sweater tomorrow because it might rain. you could say everyone should wear their sweater tomorrow because it might rain.
carlos moreno
period 6
just simply write a boy or a girls name...for example...melaina should thank her mom or joshua should thank his mom...then you will know wheather or not its a boy or a girl
I learned about generic singular prnouns. it was about how to use them when refering to a person.sometimes they can be wrong when refering to a person and people wont be able to know how there using it.
example:
the sweater belongs to him or her.
you can say the sweater belongs to one of them.
example:he or she should take care of the kids.
they should take care of the kids.
jasmin marin
period 6
I learned that the problem is that noone knows what pronoun you use to talk about the gender. I learned that if you are writing a "formal" document, you should use "he/she." Something that I found interesting was that it is OK to use "they" as a singular antecedent.
Examples:
1. The students should thank their teachers for helping them suceed.
2. A child should thank his or her parent for supporting them.
-Navpreet Singh
Period 6
Responses:
1. I think that Juhyun Kim understood this podcast really well. She shows the clear understanding in the examples provided. I also liked how she explained ALL of her examples.
2. I think that Jasmin Marin was a little mistaken and unclear about this podcast. She doesn't really show the function of generic singular pronouns. Her examples show possession, not the function of a generic singular pronoun.
- Navpreet Singh
Period 6
(Juhyun Kim, period 3)
*Responses*
1. Julian's first example was good. But, his second example, which is "Please take this time to thank he or she siting next to you.
", should be "Please take this time to thank his or her sitting next to you."
2. Navpreet Singh's examples were good. She seemed to understand very well.
Most people use "HE" as a pronoun to describe a person of an unknown gender because of its dominance. Which is WRONG. When writing about a person of unknown gender who a suppose to use "he or she" or "their" Even though your sentence might not sound like it makes sense, it most appropriate.
ex) 1. Every employee is incharge of their own belongings.
Every employee is incharge of his or her own belongings.
2. The manager lost his or her phone
Generic Singular Pronouns
this is talking about what to us when your giveing an Examples what to us he or she is the problem
use he or she when it is a fromal letter, or us they
*examples*
1.fromal letter
when at work he or she must respect the rules at all times
2.rewrites
a student must rais his hand in class
students must rais thire hands in class
GRAMMER GIRL TALKS ABOUT GENERIC SINGULAR PRONOUNS IN PODCAST #29. IT TALKS ABOUT HOW PEOPLE DONT KNOW HOW TO WRITE A SENTENCE USING THE PROPER PRONOUN WHEN IT COMES TO WRITING ABOUT AN UNKNOWN GENDER. YOU HAVE TO REWRITE YOUR SENTENCE TO TRY AND AVOID THE PROBLEM. IF THATS NOT POSSIBLE YOU HAVE TO CHECK IF THE PEOPLE YOU'RE WRITING FOR HAVE A STYLE GUIDE. IF NOT, USE HE OR SHE TO PLAY IT SAFE.
EXAMPLES:
1.HE OR SHE GOT A BAD GRADE ON THE TEST.
2.YOU HAVE TO ASK HE OR SHE FOR THE PENCIL.
RESPONSES:
1.I THINK THAT JUHYUN KIM UDERSTOOD THIS PODCAST BECAUSE SHE GAVE REALLY GOOD EXAMPLES.
2.I ALSO THINK THAT NAVPREETS EXAMPLES WERE GOOD AND SHOWS SHE UNDERSTOOD THE PODCAST.
This grammer girl is about generic singular pronouns. It discuss how many people get confuse on what pronouns to use.For example when using he and she.
GRAMMAR GIRL #29 IS ABOUT GENERIC SINGULAR PRONOUNS. GRAMMAR GIRL TALKS ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT PEOPLE HAVE WHEN ADDRESING SOMEONE OF AN UNKNOWN GENDER IN WRITTING. A WAY TO WRITE WHEN ADDRESING TOWARD SOMEONE OF AN UNKNOWN GENDER IS TO USE, HE OR SHE TO TRY TO PLAY IT SAFE, OR THEY FEEL CONFIDENT ENOUGH AND FEEL YOU CAN DEFEND YOURSELF.
EXAMPLE 1:
~A CHILD SHOULD SHARE _____ TOYS WITH OTHERS.
~A CHILD SHOULD SHARE HIS OR HER TOYS WITH OTHERS.
~A CHILD SHOULD SHARE THEIR TOYS WITH OTHERS.
EXAMPLE 2:
~A TEACHER SHOULD ALWAYS LISTEN TO WHAT ___ STUDENTS HAVE TO SAY.
~A TEACHER SHOULD ALWAYS LISTEN TO WHAT HIS OR HER STUDENTS HAVE TO SAY.
~A TEACHER SOULD ALWAYS LISTEN TO WHAT THEIR STUDENTS HAVE TO SAY.
RESPONSE 1:
LAKIARRA'S REPONSE WAS SHORT AND TO THE POINT I LIKED IT, BUT HER EXAMPLES
KIND OF CONCUSED ME.
RESPONSE 2:
JUHYUN'S REPONSE TO GRAMMAR GIRL WAS GREAT, BUT IT KIND OF SOUNDED LIKE OF A REPEAT OF WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE GRAMMAR GIRL PODCAST.
PERIOD 5
This was my favorite episode so far because I have always wondered what to do with generic singular pronouns. I agree with Grammar Girl's advice that the preferred solution is to avoid the situation by rewriting the sentence. I will follow her advice and use "his or her" when necessary. I am too conformist to take the bold route and use "their."
Examples:
1. A baby with separation anxiety can be comforted with his or her favorite toy.
2. A baby with separation anxiety can be comforted with a favorite toy. (best alternative - rewrite)
3. A baby with separation anxiety can be comforted with their favorite toy. (bold alternative -- use "their" despite the singular antecedent)
Juhyun Kim gave great examples of each option Grammar Girl described. But the second example could be rewritten to avoid the problem: The retailer tends to hire good-looking people, whether or not they are competent for the job.
Carlos Moreno also gave excellent examples of the bold alternative.
After reading all these posts, using "they" and "their" with a singular antecedent doesn't look so strange anymore!
--Jacob Artson, Per. 6
Grammar girl was about generic singular pronouns. I learned that people have difficulties using the right pronoun when talking about a person of unknown gender.Grammar girl insist that we use "they," but others might think its wrong. Grammar girl also said that when she write formally she always uses" he or she." There is a way to aviod this problem; you rewrite the sentence so that you can use they, instead of using he or she and seeming sexist.
Examples
1). The student cheated on his test.
( the wrong way....you dont want to be sexits)
2. The student cheated on his or her test.
( the right way)
Response #1
OMG! I love Juhyun examples. The examples she used were humorous and informative, which is the best combination.
Response#2
Navpreet Singh post showed that she understood the grammar girl.
Ashika Ranasinghe
Period 3 ( the BEST period ever!)
courtnei johnson(per 3.)
hmmmm....i lowkey like this grammar girl because Im always confused on when an where to address someone with a unknown gender, and now I know! when addressing someone of a unknown gender grammar girl(MY 0G HOMEGURL LOL) says that you use generic pronouns such as 'he' and 'she'. She says to use 'he' or 'she' if you want to play it safe, or if you want to get bold in sentences like these then simply use 'they'.
ex
i didnt know if kristina was a he or she. ( hahah im just playing )
ex. All football players should show his or her respect to all opposing competitors. ( yes there are female football players)
(GET BOLD!)
ex. All football players should show thier respect to all opposing competitors.
well i liked Jacobs response to grammar girl becuase for one he took a stance on which one he felt more confident using. For two i liked his example of seperation axiety.
i think ashikas was cute. i think she understood what grammr girl was saying and explained it very nicely. I also like dhow she took into consideration of not being a sexist person. go sheak!
Podcast 29 is about generic singular pronouns. It's so true that people tend to get confused on the pronoun usage of an unknown gender.
Example:The student studied for_____ test.
The student studied for his test.
It's not that hard to avoid this problem. If the person your writing about does'nt have a style guide, just be safe and use he/she.
Response:1
Way to go Kim Juhyun!!! I really liked your examples, and the way you provided ways to avoid the problem.
Response:2
Ashika I really liked yours.It's short But Informative!
Peter B. Per.3
Podcast # 29 was about generic singular pronouns. It speaks on how people don't know what gender to use when speaking about a unknown gender.
Example 1: A student should have his book.(incorrect)
A student should have his or her book.(correct)
Example 2: A person who golfs should have his clubs.(incorrect)
A person who golfs should have his or her clubs.(correct)
Responses:
Juhyun Kim had a really good one hers really explained it good and it has good examples.
Navpreet Singh had a good one to it showed that she clearly understood the information.
Episode 29 is about generic singular pronouns. Many people are uncertain of what propoun to use when talking about a person of unknown gender. Grammar girl explains that the best way to avoid this problem is by rewriting the sentence. If rewriting the sentence is not possible, the writer needs to find out the style guide of the person they are writing for. Or you can play it safe my using he or she.
ex:
1. The teacher will provide each student with a pencil so that he or she can complete the test.
2. Each employee will secure his or her items in a locker.
(Ana Santiago
Period:3)
In this episode of grammar girl they talk about generic singular pronouns.
Grammar girl says that nobody really knows how to use pronouns no more about a unknown gender.
Grammar girl says that a good way to describe an unknown gender is to put he or she in a formal document.
grammar girl also says to use they "if you feel bold and are prepared to defend yourself".
some examples are
he should play the video game
(incorrect and to some sexist)
he or she should play the video game
(Correct)
people think students are a bunch of hooligans
people think they are a bunch of hooligans
I think Mr Juan c gave a very good description on the grammar girl and he understood what this was about.
Juhyun Kim is a very smart student he made everything clear from the beginning i started reading his response. his examples are excellent and are easy to understand.
In Grammar Girl #29 we learn about generic singular pronouns.
Many people don't know whether to use he or she when talking about a person of unkown gender.
One way of avoiding this problem is to rewrite the sentence.
You can also use he or she to fix the problem in a safe way.
The last solution to this problem would be to use they. Using they would require courage!
Examples:
1. ___is in charge of doing the homework.
SENTENCE REWRITTEN:
The students are in charge of doing the homework.
USING HE OR SHE:
2.He or she is in charge of doing the homework.
HAVING COURAGE AND USING "THEY"
3.They are in charge of doing the homework.
Response:1
Kim's examples made it easier for me to understand this grammar girl.
Response:2
Mr.Juan.c didn't really give an example, he just continued explainig on how to fix generic singular pronouns. but its all cool though I still love him.
Joel
Martinez per.5
Podcast # 29
This podcast demonstrates to the reader the proper way to avoid sexism and perhaps award sentences by rewriting sentences with he/she. Using "They", "their". When a gender is unknown its best to avoid sexism. Play it safe and use plural nouns such as the ones I mentioned before.
Ex.
A employee should always show his respect to a costumer.
Or safer
A Employee should always show their respect to a costumer.
Duckie knows what shes talking about and her examples are useful and understandable.
This Grammar girl was about generic singular pronouns. I learned that people have difficulties using the right pronoun when you are talking of unknown gender.Grammar girl insist that we use "they" but it might also be wrong. Grammar girl also suggests that we use he or she on formal writing.There is a way to aviod this problem; you rewrite the sentence you can either use they or use he or she.
Ex.#1
You should do what he or she tells you.
Ex.#2
You should do what they tell you.
Response 1
I really liked Jahyun Kim response I though it was good and well explained.
Response 2
I also liked Juan C. response it showed a good understanding of what the podcast was about.
Period 3
Zenaida Carrillo
Grammar Girl #29 was about Generic Singular Pronouns. It explains how to fix the confusion that comes along when talking about a person of unknown gender. Instead of using words like: he, she, he or she, and his or her. Grammar girl suggests using words like they and their.
Example #1: Wrong way: To become a better employee he should show his ability to work with others.
Example #2: Right way: To become a better employee they should show their ability to work with others.
Response #1: I like ashika's examples she shows understanding of the content in the grammar girl, I love how she cares about the sexist effect that he or she on a person.
Response #2: I think melaina should have included more information about the grammar girl.
-Jazmine Preacely
Grammar Girl- Episode 29 explains generic singular pronouns. Grammar Girl stated that nobody really knows what pronoun to use, when talking about a person of unknown gender. It is difficult to choose but you have to choose between he, she, they,their and he or she.
Example:
1. An athlete should show their passion for their game.
2. An athlete should show his or hers passion for the game.
Comments
1. Juhyun Kim really made things clear with her comments. She emphasized certain emotions which I enjoyed.
2. Jacob noticed something wrong, a mistake made on another post. I usually dont notice mistakes.
This week podcast #29 was about Generic Singular Pronouns. In Grammer Girl,Nolan is talking about,is that nobody really knows what pronoun to use anymore when talking about a person of unknown gender.How to avoid the problem,Rewrite your sentences to avoid the problem or restate the person you are adressing it to; such as their or they.
Examples
1. He or she will be models for the next catalog.
2. They well be issued in the next catalog.
Responses
1. Alyssa had great examples using his/hers and their in her examples.
2. Singh also had great examples using his/hers and their in his examples.
In podcast 29 they talk about about how no one knows when to use pronouns. She says that using he as a generic singular pronoun is sexist. If writing a formal document use he/she. This podcast was a waste of time. If I wasn't confused now about pronouns I sure as hell are now confused.
example #1:
The team should listen to______ coach.
*rewritten*
The team should listen to their coach.
example #2:
Get up and give he or she a hug.
response #1:
I looked at Navpreet response to help me understand, because I didn't know what the grammar girl lady was saying.
response #2:
Kjh1877 had really good examples and helped me understand even more.
-Courtne Dotson per. 3
In episode 29 Grammer Girl was about generic singular pronouns. in the episode they talk about the confusion of talking about a person of unknown gender. In the grammar girl podcast it stated that it wa confusing when trying to switch he and she
Example:He or she seems too awkward, he seems sexist, and the other seems archaic." in this example grammar girl talks about how confusing is if one was suppose ot replace "and the other" with she and how that can be really confusing to readers.
Mario Per:3
This podcast is about generic singular pronouns. The overall problems no one really knows are used when talking about a person or unknown gender.
A smart way to avoid this situation is that to rewrite the sentence.and check out the style guide.
Examples: The commander shows respect____to the people.
The commander has to show their respect to the people.
The commander has to show his or her respect to the people.
2: The clerk has to show respect to the customers.
The clerk has to show respect to their customers.
The clerk has to show respect to his or her customers.
Khj1877 has a good understanding great exmaples.
Courtnewasthere has a great understanding and great examples.
the episode was about generic singular pronouns and in the beginning they talk about how they dont know what pronouns to use when there talking to a person.
they say that you could use he or she when your writing and they said that u can also use they.
examples
a child should show____ to ____ parents.
a child should show respect to their parents.
Cindy was studying in the kitchen with _____ friend
Cindy was studying in the kitchen with her friend.
The grammar girl is about generic singular pronoun. The problem is that no one really knows what pronoun to use anymore when talking about a person of unknown gender. A good way to avoid this problem is that you can rewrite it again by putting their in to it.
example 1:
everyone should where his or her blue jacket tomorrow
everyone should where their blue jacket tomorrow.
example 2:
Everyone should write his or her essay tonight.
everyone should write their essay tonight.
response 1:
I like Juhyans a lot because she gave a brief explanation of everything good going.
response 2:
Carlos Menero had a good example like it, and I think he understood it.
Deciding what pronoun to use is very hard when we don't know if the person we are referring to is male or female. Grammar girl suggest that we rewrite the sentence, and to see if the person we are writing for has a writing style so that we can use it. However if this isn’t possible then to play it safe use he or she and if you are sure of what you are doing it is okay to use they.
Examples:
#1 The employers secured his or her belongings in the locker.
#2 The employers secured their belongings in the locker.
This grammar girl episode was about generic singular pronouns. Grammar girl talks about the problem that most writers have with using singular pronouns. I learned that the best way to use the pronoun was to use, "he or she", when giving an example of an unknown person. I also learned that it is possible to use "they" even though it is a plural pronoun and won't really fit in with the singular subject.
Examples:
1. If anyone misses the test, ____ must make it up on Tuesday at lunch.
Solution: If anyone misses the test, he or she must make it up on Tuesday at lunch.
2. I should call his/her home tonight. (Preferred)
I should call their home tonight. (Risky)
Responses:
I liked Juhyun Kim's comment on this episode. I think she clarifies her examples very well. She uses three different pronouns for her first example. I also liked her second example and she showed me that she understood this episode very well.
2. I also liked Reyna's examples because she differntiated the two types of pronouns. She used "his or her" and "their" in her sentences for her examples.
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